tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.comments2023-06-11T06:48:37.468-07:00Will Not DelayJesse Ahmannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16314968413461840585noreply@blogger.comBlogger191125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-61186684604559594602013-11-11T05:02:18.766-08:002013-11-11T05:02:18.766-08:00Rightly dividing the "word of truth" mea...Rightly dividing the "word of truth" means one has to know who is being spoken to in scripture. The gospels are Jesus's teachings to the kingdom of Isreal about the Messianic rule to come. The audience was under the law. Then the Apostle Paul addresses the church through Romans, Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Phillipians, Corinthians, Thessalonians, Timothy, Titus, and Philemon. Then come letters to the Hebrew believers which are at the end of the Bible and don't apply directly to the Gentile Church. They are Hebrews addressed to the Hebrews, James (addressed to the 12 tribes), Peter who was sent by Jesus to address his flock, the Jews, John a Jew who addresses fellow Jews, Jude and Revelations. Although Revelations uses the word church, it is not addressed to the church as Paul didn't preach in Asia and was written soon after his death and is an address to the Jews. If you ignore the fact that Jesus was sent to dispense the Gospel to the Jews you will be hopelessly confused about the Bible and having a mixed up perspective with contradictory scriptures that can't be reconciled as truthful and a warped view of grace. Case in point: Are our works filthy rags or is faith without works dead? Or is it that all will be raptured with the dead in Christ first, or will there be a selection process as seen in Revelations with some waiting 1,000 years? Either my revelation about the audiences is correct and the ordering of the books of the Bible is an act of God, or the Bible is filled with lies and not worth the effort to study. The rapture happens before tribulation which is plainly described in the letters to the churches. Have fun with your doomsday paranoia.Charles Tarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08114311744637467013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-63192963203406183672013-11-11T04:50:19.718-08:002013-11-11T04:50:19.718-08:00Rightly dividing the "word of truth" mea...Rightly dividing the "word of truth" means one has to know who is being spoken to in scripture. The gospels are Jesus's teachings to the kingdom of Isreal about the messianic rule to come. The audience was under the law. Then the Apostle Paul addresses the church through Romans, Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Phillipians, Corinthians, Thessalonians, Timothy, Titus, and Philemon. Then come letters to the Hebrew believers which are at the end of the Bible and don't apply directly to the gentile church. They are Hebrews addressed to the Hebrews, James (addressed to the 12 tribes), Peter who was sent by Jesus to address his flock, the Jews, John, Jude and Revelations. Although Revelations uses the word church, it is not addressed to the church as Paul didn't preach in Asia and is an address to the Jews. If you ignore the fact that Jesus was sent to dispense the Gospel to the Jews you will be hopelessly confused about the bible and having a mixed up perspective with contradictory scriptures that can't be reconciled and a warped view of grace. The rapture happens before tribulation.Charles Tarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08114311744637467013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-72279830326783245122010-09-13T01:43:51.239-07:002010-09-13T01:43:51.239-07:00Well written, interesting article. Thanks for tak...Well written, interesting article. Thanks for taking the time. For the record, though, I was never a charismatic... My group of choice has always been conservative Baptist. blessings!Todd Dennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16229227794898594735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-11642421817531326322010-05-06T08:00:00.561-07:002010-05-06T08:00:00.561-07:00Thanks Jesse! Noe has some great things to say but...Thanks Jesse! Noe has some great things to say but in my view he seems to have an innate desire to stand apart (and alone). I don't appreciate his castigation of preterists nor his apparent need to be noticed. I believe God blesses the humble.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14438785567595098665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-36691748027284436162010-05-06T07:52:04.940-07:002010-05-06T07:52:04.940-07:00Thanks Chuck! Very insightful comment. I read No...Thanks Chuck! Very insightful comment. I read Noe's book "Beyond the End Times." Was bored with it after the first few chapters.Jesse Ahmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16314968413461840585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-15848958615342077562010-05-05T07:31:04.539-07:002010-05-05T07:31:04.539-07:00In my view, this is a fair-minded approach to the ...In my view, this is a fair-minded approach to the Noe accusations. I have no problem with Noe differing with his preterist brethren. However, he did far more than that when he laid the blame of the Church's recent malaise on our denial that the miraculous first century sign gifts are fully operational today. Rarely do I react emotionally, but this is just plain ridiculous.<br /><br />Noe ought to be fully aware that the Church's most significant problem over the past 100 years has been the rise of dispensationalism. It has unwittingly assaulted the credibility of the Bible, has distorted the Kingdom composition (presuming two separate lineages of God - one earthly through fleshly Israel and one heavenly through the Church) and has preached an anemic Gospel destined to fail against the forces of darkness. <br /><br />It is this rapture mentality that is the main scourge of the Church. Listen, Noe can argue that the gifts are for today all he wants but in what I have come to except as his usual divisive rhetoric, he is doing more harm than good. <br /><br />The Kingdom of God is spiritual. Period. <br /><br /><b>John 18:36 (NASB)</b> <i>Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm."</i><br /><br /><b>John 4:23-24 (NASB)</b><i>"But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."</i> <br /><br />Now, does the spiritual Kingdom have ramifications in the here and now? Absolutely! The Bible is clear. We are to reform the nations with the Gospel of Christ. We are the salt of the EARTH and the lights of the WORLD. Yes, we should be actively working to be faithful stewards of that which has been given but that doesn't mean that the Kingdom of God is of fleshly origin. The Spiritual informs and reforms the physical. First comes the physical (type) and then the Spiritual (anti-type). <br /><br />For me, one of the main draws of preterism, other than the fact that it made sense, was the fact that the ship (earth) is NOT destined to sink...that it has not been preordained that the Gospel will fail. To the degree that we honor Christ, the New Heavenly Jerusalem (which is not a physical kingdom) will prosper. Hal Lindsey's "The Last Great Planet Earth" (which was the first Christian book I ever read) IS the problem...not preterists who disavow the sign gifts. <br /><br />Thanks for posting this guys and thanks to Sullivan for taking the time to share his thoughts.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14438785567595098665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-14326734757682906002010-02-15T09:46:07.319-08:002010-02-15T09:46:07.319-08:00That's true what you say, but this article is ...That's true what you say, but this article is referring specifically to recent converts to Christianity from Judaism.Jesse Ahmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16314968413461840585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-41679144692692466382010-02-13T14:27:31.321-08:002010-02-13T14:27:31.321-08:00Quote: “The Jewish Christians were astonished, the...Quote: “The Jewish Christians were astonished, they couldn't believe th”<br /><br />(le-havdil), A logical analysis (found here: www.netzarim.co.il (that is the only legitimate Netzarim)) of all extant source documents and archeology proves that the historical Ribi Yehosuha ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah) from Nazareth and his talmidim (apprentice-students), called the Netzarim, taught and lived Torah all of their lives; and that Netzarim and Christianity were always antithetical.<br /><br />Judaism and Christianity have always been two antithetical religions, and thus the term “Jewish Christianity” is an oxymoron.Anders Branderudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12590420531095058999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-40737745878907270082010-02-09T06:08:24.186-08:002010-02-09T06:08:24.186-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.台灣https://www.blogger.com/profile/16595299018227840150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-54869446110050799032010-01-19T05:47:26.022-08:002010-01-19T05:47:26.022-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-73968132265680315242009-11-15T11:57:36.444-08:002009-11-15T11:57:36.444-08:00You may be rattled when you hear that the famous L...You may be rattled when you hear that the famous London preacher Edward Irving and his group taught imminent pretrib rapturism and even dispensationalism before Darby did! Proof is in "Edward Irving is Unnerving" which I found on the OUR DAILY BREAD blog owned by Joe Ortiz. It appeared on Nov. 12th.Irvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07634792243846422285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-46268395045841788702009-10-19T14:01:36.341-07:002009-10-19T14:01:36.341-07:00I believe these two paragraphs are the essence of ...I believe these two paragraphs are the essence of the article: <br /><br />“Too many within the church today approach the study of Bible prophecy through the eyes of a favorite "expert" instead of a researched observation of what scripture actually says. Because this is true, many prophecy texts when "studied," go completely "unstudied," as words are sloppily overlooked and unconsciously read into passages to substantiate previously formulated doctrines and beliefs. We must also realize that what people believe today wasn’t always the major mindset.”<br /><br />“As one can easily see, they originally understood rightly that the time of fulfillment was to be imminent until the middle of the second century when they began to abandon that and suggest the delay/ postponement ideas. When the remaining fulfillment's associated with Christ's parousia did not occur in the physical-literal way they had expected, they assumed they had not been fulfilled at all. The same problem persists today, and can be solved by following correct Biblical interpretation methods.”<br /><br />On the subject of the end times, the similarities between Islam and Christianity is noted. I cannot account for the Islamic view, but I have noticed in a typical Christian gathering there are many different views and understandings of the “end times.” It’s because the interpretation has devolved into a quagmire of misunderstanding. According to this article this may have begun in the “middle of the second century when the Shepherd of Hermas thinks he has found a solution and expresses it with great thoroughness and emphaisi: the Parousia-the Lord's return-has been postponed for the sake of Christians them selves.”<br /><br />Where are all the theologians, pastors, scholars, and learned men who SHOULD understand this dilemma we find ourselves in today? It appears we are in a steamroller toward destruction because of “previously formulated doctrines and beliefs.”<br /><br />I am thankful for this small group of believers who is pursuing the truth even if it is extremely controversial to the mainstream Christian mindset of today.Pure Prairie Soaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16721344077957294810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-72901965594945684862009-10-19T12:44:22.453-07:002009-10-19T12:44:22.453-07:00mmm...no matter what I do, the article repeats its...mmm...no matter what I do, the article repeats itself.Jesse Ahmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16314968413461840585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-70383371159815739892009-10-19T08:42:24.009-07:002009-10-19T08:42:24.009-07:00Great Article. I hope many people read it. There...Great Article. I hope many people read it. There is no doubt Eschatology shapes politics and even our personal lives, yet so many people won't even take a good look at the preterist view - their minds are made up before they even have all the facts to make up their minds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-42392592333946833352009-10-17T20:17:57.038-07:002009-10-17T20:17:57.038-07:00Not sure why this article duplicates itself. It&#...Not sure why this article duplicates itself. It's really worth the read however.Jesse Ahmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16314968413461840585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-21868958443042496672009-10-09T14:52:38.406-07:002009-10-09T14:52:38.406-07:00This is an absolutely great video. I would say alm...This is an absolutely great video. I would say almost all of us that have become full preterists have followed the same trail and read the same books etc. I set out to prove preterism was wrong and now I am so excited by the illumination this perspective gives me of the whole Bible that I can't stop telling others about it. What a great video! We need to get more people to watch it. Thanks Uncle Jesse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-59688442168223847982009-04-04T08:48:00.000-07:002009-04-04T08:48:00.000-07:00Well, we need to be careful when we talk about lar...Well, we need to be careful when we talk about large civilizations. For what was considered a large civilization in post flood days may not be the same during the days of Ninevah (Jonah) or Babylon<BR/>(Daniel) A civilizaton of 60,000 people is definitely possible within 300 years especially if it comes from at least three families not one (Shem, Ham, Japheth). Full scale immigration and emigration did not have to take place until the tower of Babel (due to the confusion of languages). We do see the beginning of migration patterns in Genesis 11:2 where the text says that they journedy from the east and they found a plain in the land of Shinar and they dwelt there. So we are back to gain the chronology after the flood. When did this migration take place (to the land of Shinar)? I am suggesting that it took place at least 200 years after the flood. Then the events of Babel took place around 300 years after the flood. We cannot be dogmatic about this. It would have helped if Genesis 10 had give us the life spans of the sons of Japheth and Ham. But the Lord thought otherwise. <BR/><BR/>Enjoyed my time with you last weekPascal's Penseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04619315995993507561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-11648916148750056272009-03-30T06:50:00.000-07:002009-03-30T06:50:00.000-07:00Your growth rate scenario at the end of your post ...Your growth rate scenario at the end of your post is flawed. One family populating a city is different than many thousands of immigrants moving to it.<BR/><BR/>It was great to meet you Pascal; Hope to see you again soon. Since I'm not an expert at Covenant Creation, I can't debate you on this subject.Jesse Ahmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16314968413461840585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-92172349535006438382009-03-22T20:51:00.000-07:002009-03-22T20:51:00.000-07:00I have fallen behind in my reading and am picking ...I have fallen behind in my reading and am picking up here on your great post. Thank you, Tim.Pure Prairie Soaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16721344077957294810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-72771804340841536962009-03-17T08:28:00.000-07:002009-03-17T08:28:00.000-07:00Hmm!! It appears, my friend, that your comments ...Hmm!! It appears, my friend, that your comments were too soon. Ha!<BR/><BR/>PascalPascal's Penseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04619315995993507561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-52675791887383328992009-03-17T06:27:00.000-07:002009-03-17T06:27:00.000-07:00My dear friend Pascal,We've known each other f...My dear friend Pascal,<BR/><BR/>We've known each other for about 30years. I agree with you about so much, but I'm afraid we agree about nothing concerning eschatology. If only you had read all the material by Don Preston and seen all the videos I have you would have enjoyed the enlightenment all us full preterists have enjoyed!<BR/><BR/>I need to write a full reply to you, but I feel like a flea on an elephant - so much area to attack.<BR/><BR/>I will first start with your last point in the summary. Heaven and earth were burned up in 70 A.D. The Talmud taught that the "rock" in Jerusalem is where cration began. At that location "Heaven & Earth" touch. The Temple was built on that "Rock" and and when the Temple was burned up so were Heaven & Earth and all the elemental things of the O.T. Covenant. Upon Jesus Christ, "THe Rock," the Church was built. The "obsolete" had not yet passed away when Hebrews was written, but was "about ready to pass away" and shortly after Hebrews was written the Temple was destroyed.<BR/><BR/>I regret I'm having severe problems this morning with my wrists and hands so I can not at this time give you more, but I wanted to throw this out there SOON as you have complained to me nobody has responded to your 1st blog yet, so I hope this is "SOON" enough for you, although I believe you thought it to be a long time.<BR/><BR/>I will write more with Scripture references etc.<BR/><BR/>In Christ's love,<BR/>DavidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-4631963817954524512009-03-13T12:22:00.000-07:002009-03-13T12:22:00.000-07:00Sounds like a pretty elite group, hope they don't ...Sounds like a pretty elite group, hope they don't keep seething in their anger.Jesse Ahmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16314968413461840585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-7263461148830962172009-03-06T15:26:00.000-08:002009-03-06T15:26:00.000-08:00I just heard downtown Whitehall is experiencing fi...I just heard downtown Whitehall is experiencing fires. How's the Education Station?Jesse Ahmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16314968413461840585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-15841390999113235042009-03-02T16:32:00.000-08:002009-03-02T16:32:00.000-08:00Jesse,As far as AiG goes the other end of the line...Jesse,<BR/><BR/>As far as AiG goes the other end of the line went dead. I don't think they want to talk about it anymore.<BR/><BR/>Here is an additional post by John Holzmann. It about sums things up.<BR/><BR/>http://johnscorner.blogspot.com/2009/03/on-taking-away-in-fine-print-what-is.html<BR/><BR/>I have one more thing I want to say over at PlanetPreterist.com at some point if AiG continues to refuse to modify what they have done. This example sure shows the character of Answers in Genesis.<BR/><BR/>Tim Martin<BR/>www.BeyondCreationScience.comTim Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12042936123619253625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1559976154778960746.post-14021670819351451542009-03-02T09:11:00.000-08:002009-03-02T09:11:00.000-08:00It's funny how AIG even bothered to post the sermo...It's funny how AIG even bothered to post the sermon “The Power of the Holy Ghost."<BR/>What is the official word from AIG; I wish I had more time to read all the comments on planetpreterist.Jesse Ahmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16314968413461840585noreply@blogger.com