Pre-trib Ignorance or Post-trib Paranoia?

Here at the “Will Not Delay” Blog, we tend to pick on the on the pre-trib rapture folks a bit. All in good humor, right? It’s not that we have anything personal against people that believe this doctrine, let’s face it—they had it coming to them!!! It is the easiest doctrine to poke holes in and it probably is the most popular doctrine among American Christians. Once you understand how Zionism has intended to brainwash this large group of people using this manner of interpretation of scripture so they have millions of loyal subjects for their cause, you can easily see my contention.

Nevertheless, my theological quest for truth has taken me down many other paths, even though it started in the pre-tribulation, pre-millennial form of dispensationalism, (Read my first post, “Quest for Truth in Eschatology Led Me to Preterism”) I also considered myself a post-trib at one time. The post-trib person is a whole different ball o wax, maybe just a little scarier when you get one cornered in a dark alley.

I don’t know who is scarier to tell you the truth. On one hand you have a mob of mind-numb robots with the power to elect anyone that AIPAC tells them to, or a guy in his home-made bunker up in the mountains, calculating his rations for seven years and clutching his hunting rifle with sweaty palms while listening to guys like Steve Quayle on the shortwave radio in silent eagerness for this Armageddon thing get going.

This is an interesting study in psychology, these two very different kinds of Christians are still very similar in they way they view the future. On one hand, you have the group that expects to be vaporized in the rapture before Revelation gets started, and then you have the other group that is a little more in tune with their survival instincts, ready to endure till the end, but equally delusional.

The pre-trib individual is much more evangelistic, much more eager to share their faith and spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. I give much credit to them for this, but they feel this is their only primary duty, to bring as many souls to Christ before the rapture. However when it comes right down to it, the pre-trib person usually clams up or becomes “foaming at the mouth mad” when they start talking about Young Earth Creation vs. Evolution to a different point of view. When a pre-trib discusses this subject with an atheist, someone usually ends up unhappily stomping out of the room. These two opposing sides keep butting heads and nobody seems to win!(This is another reason why Preterism appeals more to my intellect, check out Beyond Creation Science)

On the other hand, the post-trib individual is more content with simply taking care of themselves; the time for evangelization has now turned into a time for paranoia and preparation. The post-trib individuals are usually discontent with the pre-trib church that they started at, because they are tired of arguing or they feel arguing is virtually pointless. Therefore, they tend to stick to themselves in small groups and focus on protecting their loved ones in the coming apocalyptic bloodbath.

Now, as a truth-seeking Preterist, I have found that both of these groups hate discussing eschatology with me. This brings me into discussion on what these two groups have in common in their forms of futurism. In my difficulty in discussing these matters with these two peoples, I have found that it is usually the individual’s inability to explore new ideas that contradict their own that hinders them. That is the primary reason, and the other reason is based in their futurism, where they are content with simply waiting on the apocalypse and ignoring dissenting opinions. I’d like to quote Don K. Preston for a bit:

“At the end of the book of Revelation, John is told six times that fulfillment is at hand and that Christ was coming soon. In fact, the fulfillment of the prophecy was so near, so close, that John ws told to say: “Let the wicked remain wicked, let the filthy remain filthy!” (Rev. 22:11) Time for repentance was gone! Judgment was near, so near, that the opportunity for repentance was all but lost!

This statement of urgency is sandwiched between the command for John not to seal the Apocalypse because the time was so near, and Jesus’ statement that he was coming “quickly.” The command not to seal the book is in direct contrast to Daniel, whose vision Revelation repeats, who was told to seal the book because its fulfillment was not near (Daniel 12:4). This temporal contrast must be taken seriously, just as we must honor Jesus’ statement that he was coming quickly. This promise is based on Jesus’ promise from Matthew 16:27 where Jesus said he was coming in judgment in the lifetime of that first century audience.

If the judgment of Revelation, and that includes Armageddon, has not occurred, then the modern church must continue to proclaim, “Let the wicked remain wicked, let the filthy remain filthy!” So, if you do not believe that the modern church should be proclaiming “Let the wicked remain wicked,” you must believe that Armageddon is past!

You see, both the pre-trib and the post-trib person with their futurism are content with ignoring problems rather than fixing them. An intellectual person is obligated to learn how something can or can’t be right before they say, “that can’t be right.” When confronted with such powerful statements like Don K. Preston’s here, a person is forced to think a little bit. Friends, I am not going to be like Jack Nicholson’s character in that one movie (?) where he says, “You want the TRUTH? You can’t handle the truth!” Sorry, I’m going to take truth and make you eat it. Have a nice day ;)

8 comments:

Pure Prairie Soap said...

Great post, Ryan. Keep the pressure on. You definitely have a way with words. Sooner or later, one by one, people with questions will get out of lockstep mode to investigate for themselves. By the way, it's "A Few Good Men."

Unknown said...

The conservatives have been trying to destroy our democracy for 50 years. Ron Paul is a radical conservative that promotes the evil philosophy of hyper-free-market. You should steer away from politics until you learn the truth about what's going on. Good job on your theology though.

RYAN said...

phatwebs, I confess I don't understand everything that Ron Paul stands for. Whether he promotes an evil philosophy or not, I don't know because I've never heard of it and I don't know enough to tell you that you're wrong. With what I know about Dr. Paul, I would gladly support him for president as opposed to the two clowns that the GOP and Dems have nominated. I would be interested in learning more. However, I noticed you said the conservatives have been trying to destroy our democracy for 50 years. I partially agree with you on this, but we have to unite and identify the real bad-guy, and that is the Zionist ideology that drives the 'conservatives' and 'liberals'. Conservatives and liberals are just two opposing labels that are kept to give people a sense of identity so they keep warring against each other, a diversionary tactic to keep people busy. I like Ambrose Bierce's definition of a conservative: "A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal who wishes to replace them with others." If someone like Ron Paul is not the solution, what do you propose? (Keep in mind that I only mentioned Ron Paul briefly in a previous post. He was the ONLY Congressman with balls enough to openly criticize Israel.)

Tim Martin said...

Ryan,

I like your article.

This is an issue that few have really considered. Unfortunately, with all of the political "noise" these days I don't expect very many to "put two and two" together.

By the way, this is a topic on which I have done some research and writing:

http://planetpreterist.com/news-2796.html

Great minds..., eh?

Blessings,

Tim Martin
co-author, Beyond Creation Science
www.beyondcreationscience.com

P.S. Ron Paul for President!

Jesse Ahmann said...

Ryan,
Ron Paul (if he would be president) cannot institute a hyper-free-market as phatwebs says. I don't agree with everything Ron Paul says, however, there are two other branches of government. Otherwise, we would have a Ron Paul dictatorship. Duh!
America is in need for health-care reform, why not use a free-market approach amongst clinics, hospitals, and HMOs? That would certainly raise the level of care, and drive down prices!
Same goes for education, let's have more competition amongst schools instead of making them all "dumber", by our government.
I could go on and on, I admit some of Ron Paul's ideas are somewhat Utopian, but why not support a guy who is on the right track! At least we are pointed in the right direction!

Great post Ryan, I love your "zeal" in combating Zionism.

Irv said...

You might like to Google or Yahoo "Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism" by the writer who has written the 300-page bestseller known as "The Rapture Plot" which Armageddon Books carries (online).
Irv

Charles Tarr said...

Rightly dividing the "word of truth" means one has to know who is being spoken to in scripture. The gospels are Jesus's teachings to the kingdom of Isreal about the messianic rule to come. The audience was under the law. Then the Apostle Paul addresses the church through Romans, Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Phillipians, Corinthians, Thessalonians, Timothy, Titus, and Philemon. Then come letters to the Hebrew believers which are at the end of the Bible and don't apply directly to the gentile church. They are Hebrews addressed to the Hebrews, James (addressed to the 12 tribes), Peter who was sent by Jesus to address his flock, the Jews, John, Jude and Revelations. Although Revelations uses the word church, it is not addressed to the church as Paul didn't preach in Asia and is an address to the Jews. If you ignore the fact that Jesus was sent to dispense the Gospel to the Jews you will be hopelessly confused about the bible and having a mixed up perspective with contradictory scriptures that can't be reconciled and a warped view of grace. The rapture happens before tribulation.

Charles Tarr said...

Rightly dividing the "word of truth" means one has to know who is being spoken to in scripture. The gospels are Jesus's teachings to the kingdom of Isreal about the Messianic rule to come. The audience was under the law. Then the Apostle Paul addresses the church through Romans, Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Phillipians, Corinthians, Thessalonians, Timothy, Titus, and Philemon. Then come letters to the Hebrew believers which are at the end of the Bible and don't apply directly to the Gentile Church. They are Hebrews addressed to the Hebrews, James (addressed to the 12 tribes), Peter who was sent by Jesus to address his flock, the Jews, John a Jew who addresses fellow Jews, Jude and Revelations. Although Revelations uses the word church, it is not addressed to the church as Paul didn't preach in Asia and was written soon after his death and is an address to the Jews. If you ignore the fact that Jesus was sent to dispense the Gospel to the Jews you will be hopelessly confused about the Bible and having a mixed up perspective with contradictory scriptures that can't be reconciled as truthful and a warped view of grace. Case in point: Are our works filthy rags or is faith without works dead? Or is it that all will be raptured with the dead in Christ first, or will there be a selection process as seen in Revelations with some waiting 1,000 years? Either my revelation about the audiences is correct and the ordering of the books of the Bible is an act of God, or the Bible is filled with lies and not worth the effort to study. The rapture happens before tribulation which is plainly described in the letters to the churches. Have fun with your doomsday paranoia.